Rust bluing without boiling. Like others have said the bluing is all but gone.

Rust bluing without boiling 1. Rust bluing is a tougher finish than standard chemical dip bluing common to most guns including Winchester. It'll probably take about 7 to 10 applications until you're satisfied with the results. Also degreased 4/0 steel wool works for removing the black rust where the brush wont reach. 003 wire brush at 150 rpm. Let me know how it works Anyway as to Rust Bluing, if you do a lot of it, one source of good water is the central AC condensate water during the hot weather. With this set-up you don't have to boil a new pot of water every time. AVAILABLE SIZES 118 ml / 4 oz - $65 236 ml / 8 oz - $120 473 ml / 16 oz - $235 946 ml / 32 oz - $45 0. (been getting plenty of that lately) Rub down with a piece of denim between rustings. card parts to remove loosened rust, wipe down. us I made a stainless boiling bath out of some 100mm stainless stove file with a couple of tin can ends siliconed into the ends with a couple of locating screws. I would have to see what you’re talking about as far as the brownish cast under the bluing, but I will tell you that having a brownish cast when looking at rust bluing under bright light is not bad, it’s actually normal. Like . The remainder fall into improper solution used and boiling/steaming issues. I have read that boiling water is not hot enough to melt the solder on the barrels. If you're going to spend the time polishing a gun, you may as well do a proper rust bluing or hot salt For rust bluing, an acid dip might help, but it would take multiple coats to get a good blue-black color. This Rust bluing or slow-rust bluing as it is sometimes referred to is the process of controlling rust over an extended period of time with the use of wipe-on chemicals/acids, steam, Learn the process of bluing a gun with this guide. So far it has gone very well and I am slowly working my way through my collection. 003 diameter carding wire wheel from Brownell's along with their hand brush of the same wire diameter to be without peer. I saw Mark Novak’s video where he did it with what appeared to be a fairly well-preserved Remember, what we show here is what you need to go learn, not a tutorial. BJH . Boil the parts for 2-3 minutes. The method he demonstrated is one of the methods by which guns are blued. You will need to break into it after each conversion until gone, but this is the way that saves the most If you boil, you need to use pure distilled water to assure results. Better approach is just to choose a knife or two you’re I have used Brownells dicropan im bluing for several years with excellent results as a cold rust bluing. This makes boiling barrels easy. Froneck Posts: 1769 Join date: 2014-04-05 Age: 77. Does a great job without harming the original finish or polishing the worn areas to bright. Rust bluing produces a beautiful, deep-blue finish that is highly sought after by gun enthusiasts. I blued some tee-nuts that I made for my rotary table. Although time-consuming, we consider rust bluing a very durable method of bluing that produces a softer Step #5 Boiling. be quite as durable and requires more time and effort,but far less equipment than Boil first ,,then card,,is the standard way of rust bluing double bbls. The results look nice and seem to be durable despite a lot of rubbing with steel wool. Re: More questions, Rust Blueing any comments. In fact, I am going to I have been curious about boiling for rust conversion (the basic process of rust bluing) for years, yet being too cautious (lazy?) to try it. See what's left first. The temps were around 70-75F without the lights, which apparently worked The solution does cause the surface to rust, and boiling is required to make the change from Ferric Oxide to Ferric Ferrous Oxide, which is the black scale that is carded off. The kicker is that it also contains a detergent. It is actual rust that gets converted, so the metal needs to be fully covered in red nastyness. wait 24 hours to allow parts to rust [50+% humidity], longer if not quite rusted enough. I don't remember what product I used, but it was Also, you have to heat the BBL's up using a heat gun or boiling water (distilled), apply the slow rust bluing solution, boil it in water (distilled) for 5-7 mins, let cool, card it off, then redo the process 15-20 times, or until the I live in Charlotte, NC and just hang the parts in my garage to rust. Some dilution helps with the smoothness of the final finish along with carding timing. The basic process ANTIQUE EXPRESS RUST BLUE Gives a b eautifu l black-blue finish. At this point it is a red/brown ferric oxide. 6 to eight Author Topic: Rust Bluing with Laurel Mountain Browning Solution (Read 13834 times) moleeyes36. Bluing IS rust--FE2O3 when formed (common rust) then converted to FE3O4 with heat to produce a blued surface. The boiling/ scalding step is the difference. I treated the parts a total of 4 cycles: rust in the solution, rinse with cold water, boil, then dry and brush the loose rust off with an old toothbrush. Slow rust In rust blueing, you apply a rusting solution and allow the barrel to rust. Then boil the parts for Author Topic: Rust bluing boiling tank (Read 5129 times) FALout. Better approach is just to choose a knife or two you’re Pour in boiling distilled water and heat with a propane torch to keep it boiling. The sides are bluing, without rusting. Longways to the flats. hot salts bluing will go red or green with too hot or not hot enough but I never saw rust bluing do it. How does one remove it without hurting the finish? Like literally I've gone weeks with that rust bluing solution on, without boiling it. It's hardly a good surface finish, tends to come off easily and provides poor corrosion protection. apply rust But honestly, this is uncharted territory. I'm using Pilkington's and I have cleaned the parts with acetone between each application. Fly Navy. apply rust solution [Brownells Classic Rust Blue is currently in use] 5. Belt grinder like a 2x72 with adjustable speed and some softer scotch The surface is lightly pitted in many places. If the part is already blued, hot or rust, and the surface finish is smooth I will apply solution directly to the blued part, without prior stripping, to reblue an item. You can also just abrade the rust off and leave the metal exposed, but you have to keep it oiled to prevent it from This is the first of a 3 video series on steel bluing. I can't see any reason that shouldn't work fine, as long a it is a tradition browning method and Then put the parts in the tank to boil. I heat it on the stove across 2 burners the speed of rust bluing is what has kept me away. Save Share Author Topic: Rust bluing boiling tank (Read 5129 times) FALout. Not big chunky rust, more of a thin film of oxidized Having a problem with my first rust bluing. I use the Mark Lee and boil it in a stainless tank. Between needing to fix headspace on the SSS and needing to actually make room for the equipment, I haven't made much progress on this over the last 8 months I've had them, hah. I didn't do a great job fitting the rear sight so, I have to refit another sight. let dry an hour, reapply second coat, allow to dry 6. It cannot damage the metal. To save any possible bluing that you can while removing the rust, you want to use any gun oil and 0000 steel wool. As Dave said, you have to be patient. You can boil/steam even with excess rust left on. but they will be darker and at least stop the active corrosion without doing a full re-park job. I used the peroxide/salt solution. I'm rust blueing for the first time and it has been going well since I switched from trying to steam the parts, to boiling (in distilled water). It takes a several week job and condenses it into a day or weekend. Eh, disassembling and coating with something like clp even would have about the same positives without adversely affecting the blades. Not necessarily guns, but any non stainless steel object can be colored through oxide conversion coati Rust Bluing Woes March 27, 2014 by Bob Veasey Blog. Rust bluing uses a chemical and humidity to turn the metal copper brown, then boiling it in the tank turns it sooty black with a velvet coating. Support us It is very durable, at least as durable as browning done by the same technique without the boiling. Full Member; Posts: 147; Re: Rust bluing boiling tank « Rust bluing has its roots in the 19th century, a time when firearms manufacturing was transitioning from handcrafted artisan work to more industrialized production methods. Coat, rust, boil, card, ad Sounds pretty straight-forward once the metal is prepped. boil parts in water to convert rust and loosen any hard rust 3. rust, boil, card, start over. In the 2006-06-20 Slow Rust Bluing. Just hit the pipe with the propane torch and it heats up in just a minute. cominstagram: @357. It involves creating controlled rust on the metal surface and then converting it into a protective layer. Process is: surface prep - sand out any spots, clean and degrease fully. . C Higgins boltie 12ga and a Savage Super Sporter in -06 with more rust and bare metal than bluing. The parts rust just fine, but after 10 or even 20 minutes of boiling, they have all stopped turning black. They will always produce a satin blue rather than the highly polished glossy blue that hot bluing can produce. but with rust blueing, both from scratch on bare metal as well as adding new rust bluing over top of existing finish to darken or fill in worn spots. I would try another piece, Use a soft stainless wire wheel like the kind used for gun bluing, boil it first, making some of the rust convert to magnetite( I think is the spelling) and then card ( softer wire wheel) to remove the surface rust or you could go the elbow DIY Rust Bluing Recipe:4 TBSP Peroxide1TBSP White Vinegar3/4 TSP Non-iodized SaltBoil in Distilled Wateremail: 357mdad@gmail. Usually takes 5 or 6 With a true rust bluing process, when you let the barrel rust by browning solution and then you boil it in distilled or at least a demineralized water to turn the red oxides into the blue oxide (a magnetite, in fact), you can stop IF you have very dry place where to place the metal after boiling and drying and slightly card by denim or so every I use LMF browning solution for rust bluing and it works just the same as Smart Dog's. The barrel was rusted in a Author Topic: Rust bluing questions (Read 8598 times) rogerpjr Guest; Rust bluing questions allowing a good coat of rust to form, then boiling a pot of water and scalding the finish by slowly pouring the boiling water over the length of the barrel, then carding off with rough denim patches. As in all rust bluing it's critical that the surface of the work be absolute clean so that the first coat goes on evenly. This will remove rust but won't scratch the remaining bluing you have left. It should work just fine. This will leave the parts in the ideal state for rust bluing. After cold water rinsing, put the gun parts in boiling water. Reactions: TheBurner, nyatii and Done right, it not only is as durable as tank bluing but is (IMHO) much better looking. Blotchy and uneven finish is solely due to careless preparation. The intermediate, once in Rust bluing will be more of a satin finish so no need to polish first. Local shop uses one of the carding wheels to remove rust from old guns that the owners want cleaned up but don't want reblued. Rust, Boil, Card. I also read somewhere that you can buy a rust bluing (not cold blue) that only requires the barrels to be heated by a dry heat, not boiling water. Rust Bluing Woes March 27, 2014 by Bob Veasey Blog. To ensure rust won’t continue to “grow” on your gun, you may have to scrape off the rusted 2) heat the barrels in a distilled water bath until boil for about 10 minutes. Bluing involves an I broke down and bought a black iron bluing tank from Brownell's since I used to do a lot of finish work. NOT TAP water. Hey there! I have been using the techniques in Mark Novak's Anvil channel to stop rust and conserve my milsurps. View Profile View Forum Howdy, did a thread search and I know the procedure for rust bluing with the LMF. Then apply the bluing formula. Card with a . I decided to use some Boiled linseed oil. I would go with a light once over with the220-320 and then rust 5 or 6 times. Thanks in advance, CC3 Edit to add: Also - For blued guns, this converts any active rust back to bluing. All the cold rust browning products can be used to rust blue. Coating the clean parts with a rust bluing solution, allowing it to rust, and boiling it in clean water converts the rust from ferrous oxide to ferric oxide. With a true rust bluing process, when you let the barrel rust by browning solution and then you boil it in distilled or at least a demineralized water to turn the red oxides into the blue oxide (a magnetite, in fact), you can stop IF you have very dry place where to place the metal after boiling and drying and slightly card by denim or so every Sounds pretty straight-forward once the metal is prepped. How the surface metal is prepared and handled during the application of the bluing formula is the real key to the end result. but requires boiling the rust, carding, and multiple cycles. My results with steaming were always I haven't done any bluing before and was considering a couple different options before settling on the rust blue method. I haven't used the Radocy express, but have slow-rust blued a few firearms the old-fashioned way. Wait for red rust to form 10. Hot bluing would be a helluva lot quicker minutes instead of days to do. The solution does cause the surface to rust, and boiling is required to make the change from Ferric Oxide to Ferric Ferrous Oxide, which is the black scale that is carded off. It is inevitable that you eventually run into some problems when rust bluing. Noticed that im contained nitric acid so tried it as a rust blue process, worked just fine. 3) hang the barrels at least 12 hours to rust. Coat with solution. The process was born out of necessity: firearms needed protection against the relentless ravages of rust and corrosion. I made a solution of Hydrogen Peroxide, White Vinegar, and Salt. Then we card off the excess to reveal wha I'd look into getting away from cold bluing. I was told by exspurts that it wouldn't work as Since browning is the same process as bluing less the boiling in water part, the solution works perfectly well for bluing. The best method is to boil the red rust and recard the areas. Later tried dicropan im from Brownells but tap water would cause problems. I put together a Kibler SMR a couple of years ago and I rust blued all of the furniture with Pilkingtons. Learn the steps, tools, and safety measures required to achieve a durable, corrosion-resistant finish that enhances the look and longevity of your firearm. Your literature must be legitimately ancient. All molecules of black iron oxide Fe₃O₄ are identical in appearance. Hero Member; I've always rust blued by boiling and then carding each rusting cycle. 04-24-2016, 10:54 PM #15. Hero Member; Posts: 875; "a gun without hammers is like a spaniel without ears" King George V. Cold bluing came first and they specifically made the distinction 40 psi. John 242. If conserving by getting rid of red iron oxide without damaging the underlying finish (black iron oxide), either steaming or boiling should work just fine. Free Online Library: Slow-rust bluing: science or alchemy? Actually, it's science. Rust bluing for barrels is a process that only a few master gunsmiths practice. As you have found, there are the slow bluing and the Rust bluing used wads of steel wool before they had the powered fine wire wheels to remove the rust in the bluing process. Normally this is good, as they prevent your guns from rusting. Clean it very well. Like others have said the bluing is all but gone. No, rust blueing is still cold blueing, even though you steam/boil them afterwards. Summer or winter makes no difference. Logged 45-110. Most of the time associated with rust bluing is in waiting for rust to develop and the multiple coats and boiling trips. - For parked or coated guns, the rusted area's probably won't match the parkerizing, but they will be darker and at least stop the active corrosion without doing a full re-park job. There was a little bit of pitting, I think, so be careful of that. I was told by exspurts that it wouldn't work as I’ve rust blued a few guns and done right it is beautiful. It is named after the blue-black appearance of the resulting protective finish. I have only done 4 or 5 rust blue projects myself but they came out ok. The boiling loosens the rust scale as well as turning it from one iron oxide compound to another (the red one to the black one! Keep in mind that rust bluing solutions are acids and will slightly etch the surface. Attachments The gist of it is that you use LMF to rust the part per then instructions, then boil the rusted part in distilled water for a few minutes (although I have found soaking the part in boiling hot distilled water for about 10 minutes Yes I have seen that boiling the fine rust in water will turn it blue! Locations where blue was rubbed off by use were easily refinished by simply rust bluing without having to remove old blueing. Keep away all oil thereafter. Slow rust bluing on the barrels and Belgian bluing on the frame and associated parts. Hot blueing involves molten caustic salts and temperatures of 300F or more. Rust blued guns are boiled in water or steamed. Next I tried it without boiling water and it worked just fine. If you do not posses the skills to perform at this level, do NOT attempt. However, when you have freshly rust blued a gun, these corrosion inhibitors can remove your hard work. Light reflectio I was under the impression that most true slow or rust bluing methods require emersion in boiling water. The fine grain blue/black dust wipes right off and the finish can be made as bright as you wish that way with some experience and juggling techniques. No rust bluing or any other bluing is going to un-pit the surface — it will just darken the pits some. If you polish to worn 400 grit and don't rust too aggressively you can get a beautiful, soft satin finish with either carding method. - For blued guns, this converts any active rust back to bluing. The finish will look almost the same whether or not it is blasted. Coat it, hang it in a humid environment, boil in water, card off the rust and do it again until the desired color depth is achieved. Boiling the rust converts the red oxide to black oxide which constitutes the Cold bluing generally gives ZERO or near zero rust protection. Proprietary black oxide formulations can contain other heavy metals that also form black Got a J. But unlike today’s modern finishes, early methods relied on chemistry that Also I tried the process on old cold blued and hot-salts blued parts without de-bluing them and it worked well, just need to de-grease them carefully. It is also the only way to go if restoring a firearm that was originally blued using rust blue. What we commonly refer to rust (the reddish brown stuff) is ferrous oxide. The polished metal will appear dull grey after blasting but the process of rust bluing will bring the sheen back. It is the slow rust bluing, so it does take a bit of time. No boiling water tank, no humidity box. The last bluing I mixed baking soda with the boiling water bath and left the barrel in until it could be touched and when They rust bluing is almost too durable; the magazine catch and safety look too new despite my playing with them. Cold bluing and Rust bluing are two different things. Parris In rust blueing, you apply a rusting solution and allow the barrel to rust. The Theory Essentially, rust bluing uses an acid Gun bluing is actually rust, to be specific ferric oxide. Hanging is easiest, I use an old piece of dryer duct attached to Bluing, sometimes spelled as blueing, is a passivation process in which steel is partially protected against rust using a black oxide coating. If you use the cabinet just for bluing the blasting is best performed after the degreasing. When steaming, you must use a high volume of steam at full boil. Boiling in clean water changes the ferric oxide to ferro-ferric oxide, which is black. But your customers will think you worked some kind of magic when they see the transformation this process can make in an old firearm. pulled them out and immediately put them in boiling water for about ten minutes. Filled with boiling distilled water for about 20-30 minuets. changing dimensions = accelerated decrepitude, you actually wear out the part without useing it. icio. Maybe rust bluing will be sufficient, since the rusting process tends to roughen the surface, as microscopic bits of rust come off. They get dark when wet, but when dry are gray. I once rust blued a barrel using Laurel Mtn. It’ll boil any remaining bluing solution leftover. It gave me an additional 10% humidity, bringing it up to 85-90%. I'd look into getting away from cold bluing. Part of it has been just cause of limited time to boil it, but also because for whatever reason even after de-greasing and all that good stuff, at first I was not having much rust form in the time frame the instructions tell me. You can use household chemicals like vinegar or salt-water to make the knife rust. The process of rust bluing begins by creating a controlled rust on 7. Long time ago I rust blued a muzzleloading pistol barrel. Remove from boiling water, dry (probably just allow boiling water to evaporate) and card the velvet using steel wool for easily accessible areas, carding brush for tight spaces, and pipe cleaner for tiny areas 8. I typically had As for boiling out rust blue, without proper tanks. I do bouut 5 coats of browning and then boil in distilled water. Ultimately, removing the rust on your gun without damaging the bluing could be a temporary fix. I use city tap water to boil the parts in. Rust bluing is a method of making steel rust in a controlled After boiling, use fine steel wool, not sand paper, and oil to light take off any loose grains of rust still remaining. The bottom line is that steaming is way less expensive or time consuming than boiling. Often used on shotgun barrels so as not to damage solder, or when matching or reproducing the finish of older firearms, rust bluing produces a soft, rich blue/black finish by coating the properly prepared components in a rust bluing chemical solution, allowing a uniform layer of rust to develop, then boiling and carding the built up rust off to Rust bluing is very popular today for custom gunsmiths and hobbyists because of the durability and quality of finish that can be achieved without too much equipment. I was under the impression that most true slow or rust bluing methods require emersion in boiling water. What do you guys use to boil long (42"+) Has anyone tried rust bluing with LMF barrel brown using steam instead of scalding? I found an old post that used Pilkington's but was wondering if LMF would work the same. The method of turning metal rusty, only to boil it in water until the red rust turns to black oxide, is known as The boiling water method is most likely slow rust bluing in which a piece of steel is allowed to rust in a controlled environment before being boiled to convert the Fe2O3 to Fe₃O₄ and carded to remove the excess. It will give results similar to your job but without the boiling water mess. I do some rust bluing and browning several times a year and have found the . The good thing about being a Rust bluing is cheap and easy but it is laborious. You make the metal rust, knock the loose rust off, and then boil or steam the knife to convert the red rust to black/blue rust. Cold blue is a quicky in a bottle application that yields immediate if sometimes unpredictable results. Polish parts the way you want them to look when finished, degrease, then apply a coat of bluing. Simmering steam will often result in bluing I few a few questions on rust bluing. You really cannot remove the 1st phase of the process (the rust you don't like) and leave the bluing as is. I tried useing Brownells dicropan im rust bluing with boiling water but had trouble with contaminents in the tap water. Pull the barrels and apply bluing solution(I like Laurel Mountain). Try different approaches. Hot blued guns are blued in a boiling solution of water and caustic salts. Either will work fine and neither will scratch the surface of the work. Either way you need rust to begin with to get what you want. I use a tooth brush to apply a small amount of bluing and spread it around. Without this Rust bluing relies on the open pores created by a more coarse finishing process to allow penetration of the chemical agents while caustic hot blue opens the pores by heating to allow penetration. I used fume bluing (put the part in a container hanging from a wire with some acid) and a special carding rotary brush. but guns without a blued finish need to be treated differently depending on their finish. The old fashioned way of bluing, and the original way a blacksmith or gunsmith would blue an item, is called rust bluing. Note this is rust bluing, not cold bluing or hot bluing. Forge. Water comes into contact with the metal in both cases. Can boiling water just be poured over the barrel or is it necessary to boil it for a while? 2. Most can be traced to surface preparation and technique. For less than $70, you can purchase my bluing solution and build a steam apparatus vs paying $400+ to a Express or rust bluing is one of those tasks that, if begun properly, will almost always end up looking right. This is where Express Rust Bluing gets a bit repetitive. One of its advantages besides its ease of use is the fact that you can use it to touch up an area with real bluing rather than using cold blue. After carding, the metal is returned to the tank, and the process is cycled until the color is satisfactory. Any recommendations for rust bluing products out there?? Besides the stuff tools from brownells. Just let me know if you are bluing nickle steel alloy. I have used Brownells dicropan im bluing for several years with excellent results as a cold rust bluing. For the most part, mirror-bright finishes have gone away for a couple of reasons. Repeated iterations of the rust-boil-card process will result in a deepening black color. Process is: Rust bluing or slow-rust bluing as it is sometimes referred to is the process of controlling rust over an extended period of time with the use of wipe-on chemicals/acids, steam, For rust bluing, an acid dip might help, but it would take multiple coats to get a good blue-black color. Boil in distilled water to convert red rust to black. 4. Full Member; Posts: 147; Re: Rust bluing boiling tank « The hot rust system uses a solution which is swabbed on hot steel that has just been pulled out of a boiling water tank. The parts rust just fine, but after 10 or even 20 minutes of boiling, they have all stopped turning black soak the rust in a boiling water bath (adding old tea is mentioned, so is baking soda but i didn't use either of these this time) this is to convert one type of rust to another, harder, I used Laural Mountain to rust blue a Hawken barrel. Boil parts 11. Result is not a blue-black, but generally darker As I reported earlier in my other thread dedicated to cold bluing, I’ve just taken a “hybrid” approach by first cold bluing an old / cheap S&W with Oxpho Blue and then boiling it in distilled water after degreasing. It produces a gray/blue finish. I'd like to try some other solution, but shipping to Alaska is a problem. NOTE: if rust bluing a lock or small parts I use a small disposable aluminum “loaf pan” and just put the parts into the water without trying to support the parts off the bottom – Recipe for the rust bluing solution used: 1 cup hydrogen peroxide, 1/4 cup distilled white vinegar, 1/16 cup salt. I am running into a In Montana used on 4150 alloy (the only thing I was rust bluing at the time) Pilkingtons would stop working at the third coat (about the time the steel would have a gray-blue color after boiling, even in a damp box. Has anyone done it,? If so, how has it held up on a cutting tool? I can post some pics of a gun if there’s interest. This velvet is cleaned off, and the Eh, disassembling and coating with something like clp even would have about the same positives without adversely affecting the blades. There's an interesting thread over on castboolits about using rust bluing where the OP used the Mark Lee express solution, applying several coats without carding in between, and only boiling and carding once at the end. Why look for something else when that works so well?? BUT. Share. Yes that above is . I hope you all don't mind me adding my rust bluing experience to your pages. magdadMusic: What is the basis of your disagreement? The chemistry has been well known for two centuries. Bluing involves an I was under the impression that most true slow or rust bluing methods require emersion in boiling water. With Mark Lee's Express blue, you have to boil it after every application. (don't laugh,it works) Distilled or rain water. Often the final carding and clean boiling water the barrel looked great. I’m thinking of doing it on a blade after heat treat but before affixing scales. The Superposed for most of it's life used 2 different bluing processes. I imagine there are very So after reading this thread, I decided to give it another try. I have read that boiling water is not hot enough to melt the solder on Essentially, rust bluing uses an acid solution to rust the steel in a controlled environment. Followed the online directions and blued it 5 times, carding with 0000 wool and hot tanking each time in distilled water. Thus, the guns are soaked in kerosene after bluing, and after 24-48 hours the bluing has set up sufficiently in the metal and you can pull it and oil it properly. by "American Gunsmith"; Sports, sporting goods and toys industry Sport, sporting goods and toys industry Firearms Decoration and finishing Metal Author Topic: Rust bluing question (Read 993 times) NJS. Last time we grew a good layer of rust on the old Colt. I will just write this off as pure learning. Share this post on; Digg; Del. Rust is just a symptom of not cleaning enough. I use non-chlorinated break cleaner. Card with clean fine wire brush. Bluing They rust bluing is almost too durable; the magazine catch and safety look too new despite my playing with them. I rust blued my first barrel over the past few days. Want to support the channel? Talk gun stuff with other like minded This is the first of a 3 video series on steel bluing. If you have a sweat box is ideal. Here's my recipe for rust bluing; Evaporust for removing existing bluing. Then, boil and card (a form of rust bluing) is probably the best bet if "restoring" the rifle. Repeat carding 12. Using this technique on a stainless or 2. Rust bluing has its roots in the 19th century, a time when firearms manufacturing was transitioning from handcrafted artisan work to more industrialized production methods. (I don't Rust bluing has worked for me the times I've done it. Today we boil the parts to convert that rust into bluing. To be on the safe side do not leave any coat on, without scaling, for longer than 24 hours. Bluing, sometimes spelled as blueing, is a passivation process in which steel is partially protected against rust using a black oxide coating. While still hot, apply additional coat of bluing formula 9. to remove the surface rust without damaging the original bluing. Not necessarily guns, but any non stainless steel object can be colored through oxide conversion coati Try Big 45 Frontier Metal Cleaner with oil, Hoppes, Oil of Wintergreen, etc. I know many I'm rust blueing for the first time and it has been going well since I switched from trying to steam the parts, to boiling (in distilled water). It allows one to blend the oxidation evenly before the next application far easier and more thoroughly than can be done with a rough cloth. Polish, degrease, apply im bluing solution with a tooth brush, let set about i day, use steel wool to remove surface rust, repeat application. Thanks in advance, CC3 Edit to add: Also Rust bluing has its roots in the 19th century, a time when firearms manufacturing was transitioning from handcrafted artisan work to more industrialized production methods. Some dilution helps with the smoothness of the Boiling the parts in distilled water converts any iron oxide into ferric oxide (converts/kills the active rust), then card to get that nice deep blue. Allow some hours to evenly coat with red rust. Slow rust bluing is a process where ferric oxide (Fe2O3) is converted to ferrous oxide (Fe3O4) by boiling in hot water. Anyway as to Rust Bluing, if you do a lot of it, one source of good water is the central AC condensate water during the hot weather. Later years may well have changed the bluing method on the frame but the barrels and ribs were/are soft soldered which won't take hot caustic bluing without coming apart. If you're going to spend the time polishing a gun, you may as well do a proper rust bluing or hot salt I’ve rust blued a few guns and done right it is beautiful. Hero Member; if rust bluing a The hot rust system uses a solution which is swabbed on hot steel that has just been pulled out of a boiling water tank. Browning is the same process without the boil. I only boil after the browning is completed. But unlike today’s modern finishes, early methods relied on chemistry that 2) heat the barrels in a distilled water bath until boil for about 10 minutes. nowadays for custom hobbyists and gunsmiths on account of the quality and durability of finish that can be For rust bluing, an acid dip might help, but it would take multiple coats to get a good blue-black color. Rust bluing is a traditional and time-consuming method of bluing a gun. Boiling/Steaming Issues. But unlike today’s modern finishes, early methods relied on chemistry that Got a J. 7. - A container for boiling water large enough to accommodate the parts that you wish to blue - Mild steel wire - Clean water. convert red rust to black by boiling in distilled water or hanging in steam. Tarn -X for rusting solution. No leaks worked very The method of bluing, whether it be cold rust bluing or hot bluing does not determine whether the finish will be glossy or matt. I have never once heard of rust bluing referred to as cold bluing. You'd be amazed at how a worn blued gun can come back to life. Building professional rust bluing infrastructure for the workshop- the Obelisk of Boiling. Let stand for 12-24 hours, card with a ss brush and apply another coat. Hot dip bluing is Mark Novak likes to boil guns in water to turn the rust, then uses a carding wheel to take the oxide back down to the original bluing. Though time consuming it's pretty straightforward, and easy to do with minimal investment. By the fourth treatment, the reaction became noticeably less vigorous. Ferrous Oxide (red rust) can be converted to First the scary part. Fortunately, Colt’s 1950’s bluing was deep enough so that the bluing appears lighter, but not entirely absent, in the pitted areas. I came across this on a gunsmith's website, and it worked great for me. Works really well. 4) after the barrels have developed a orange rust boil them in the boiling distilled water tank for at least 10 minutes. Slow rust bluing is basically browning the gun and than boiling it in hot water. mfs zfyrf swoyya vrjkz pgjq porea ylvjz dul bbk fpedx